Sunday, June 11, 2006

Athens anarchists and students fight police (again)


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16 Comments:

At 11:03 PM, Blogger bogartzen said...

Mr Copper I know you are a person too take it easy comrade or some day you really are going to get killed and for what, your friends and your children will miss you. You don´t want that. So step out of your uniform - be a man.

 
At 2:10 AM, Anonymous Bellringer said...

?!?!


wtf

 
At 3:30 PM, Blogger bogartzen said...

Hello Bellringer.
I suppose this "?!?!" is from you to me; and I suppose "wtf" means WHAT THE FUCK.

In case you have a reading problem: Copperpigs are people too. Some of them, therefore, can be brought over to the red side. Our side.

This is a question of how we think about people. I am a communist, a maoist. This is my view on human beings: Every person on this planet is a potential communist. Either this is true - or, free will does not exist. I am not a determinist. I believe in free will. So, I am willing to give these uniformed assholes a fair chance before I really take them down. Comprende?

Look to Nepal! Long live The April Revolution!

 
At 7:57 PM, Anonymous Gitboy said...

As an anarchist, I belive in free will, and I also believe in responsibility.

During the course of their lives, people make decisions, and those decisions have consequences, not just for them but also for those around them. People are responsible for these consequences, and therefore have to accept them as the results of their actions.

When a man (or woman, etc...) kills without reason, they become a murderer, and must accept the consequences of that action, be it death, imprisonment, or whatever. This is accepted as normal in our society.

When a man joins the forces, he too makes a choice. He takes a side, and he must live with that. Policemen, soldiers, scabs; they all made their choices, and they chose to abandon their humanity for their own ends. Such callous collaboration should be punished.

A policeman can walk away from the badge, sure. And if he has truly changed, I will welcome him to our movement. But a policeman makes a choice when he joins, affirms that choice every day he turns up, reaffirms it when he attacks our comrades in the streets. He has chosen to be our enemy; and thus we will treat him as one.

 
At 9:40 PM, Blogger bogartzen said...

Gitboy, thank you for your comment. Anarchism/Communism - we have the same goal. 23:30 is what the clock is Norwegian time now. I´m so tired, have to sleep. I´ve been with the Afghanis on hungerstrike here in Oslo all evening. FUCK NAZI-BUSH! I would like to discuss with you comrade. How are we really going to change the world? We have to stand together.

 
At 9:15 AM, Anonymous Bellringer said...

Naaah... my "wtf" was because i did not get the use of the term "Mr. Copper", believe it or not. Reading your post now i cant see any other way of reading it than what you meant.

"Anarchism/Communism - we have the same goal. "

Not really. Communism wants a state, even though they call it the "peoples" state. Anarchists wants freedom.

 
At 12:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

umm thats not right ...

 
At 5:53 PM, Anonymous gitboy said...

I used to have a plan to save the world, but then I realised it was a load of vanguardist nonsense, so i abandoned it. Now I go through Grand Plans for the Revolution (tm) on a weekly basis, but always end up thinking of new ones pretty quick.

I dont think a plan for how we're going to change the world is particularly relevant; surely these things should we worked out together, as we go along? For now, I just do what I can, when i can. Which, as a Nihlist, mainly just involves distributing dumpstered food to the homeless at the moment. ..

Hey, I'm working on it, alright? :P

 
At 5:59 PM, Anonymous gitboy said...

Oh, and yeah, the anarchism/communism thing; we believe all states to be harmful, regardless of their dogma. Plus, we've learnt the Lessons Of History. Namely, that communists betrayed and persecuted us in Russia, Spain, and China, and that they will do it again if we trust them again.

 
At 7:11 PM, Blogger bogartzen said...

Communism is history´s word for love. Communism is only possible on planetary scale. The point is: No states. No borders. Just us, together, among the stars.
To get there:
1) revolution in one country after another (Again: Look to Nepal! It´s happening there now!)

http://www.mysansar.com/?p=469

2) Socialist states are also just that - states. It´s just that then the majority has the power.

3) When every state has become socialist, the states will crumble and disappear..."and the world will be as one." (Lennon/Imagine)

 
At 7:15 PM, Blogger bogartzen said...

ps

:-)

Ola

 
At 8:55 AM, Anonymous gitboy said...

"Communism is history's word for love"? What sort of answer is that? You've evaded my points like some sort of politician...

 
At 11:30 PM, Anonymous Isaac said...

libertarian communism... is another name for popular sub-varietes of anarchist thought..... so anarchy is not at ends with communism; but anarcho-communism and state-communism are very much so at ends with one and other.

state-socialism being the path to stateless-communism is just "the ends justify the means" bullshit

 
At 1:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Solidarity with the greeks students...
RIOTs in Paris Berlin London

 
At 6:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before the Feb 1917 revolution, Trotski was in exile and he was working with some Social Democrats in a building where a bunch of different left groups had offices. Volpin and Trotski were once talking and Volpin said something like "It's all well and good, Trotski, but I know once you are in power you will have the anarchists killed." and Trotski said, something like, "no, no, we have the same goal, once we establish communism the state will wither away" and then he threw in a typically delicious trotski line like "The working class can't establish communism without the tool of the state, that would be like the blacksmith grabbing the hot iron with his bare hands." Years later, when Totski's red army defeated the Machno movement, red army soldiers asked Trotski "we have captured Volpin. What should we do with him?" and Trotski said, "Execute him immeadiately."

 
At 8:25 AM, Blogger Bryce said...

Anarchism isn't possible. People will always want to lead. People will always want to follow. Human nature destroys anarchism. The very act of getting together defeats the purpose of anarchy. You want not Anarchy. You want mayhem.

 

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